David Bruant (2013-05-08T15:47:32.000Z)
Le 07/05/2013 18:30, Andrea Giammarchi a écrit :
> You did not answer my question Mark: what is the role of TC39, embrace 
> "whatever non-standard crossbrowser thing" or filter ideas proposing 
> better alternatives/solutions when necessary in order to have a solid 
> foundation instead of having Object.defineProperty({get}) AND 
> __defineGetter__ from the past?
>
> This is a concern of mine, and I'd like to hear a clear statement 
> about this, thanks.
I'm not Mark and not part of TC39, but I'll give it a try.
I believe TC39 position is in between your 2 propositions. Aiming at 
improving on a solid basis while still codefying de facto standards when 
necessary (that is when it's in some implementations and other 
implementors are pushed by content to implement it).

I don't get why you're being so hard on TC39. The WHATWG has been doing 
*exactly* that for years now; looking at what several browsers implement 
and is used in content and codifying it. Beyond the hype, large parts of 
HTML5 are de facto standards.

David
github at esdiscuss.org (2013-07-12T02:27:20.762Z)
Le 07/05/2013 18:30, Andrea Giammarchi a ?crit :
> You did not answer my question Mark: what is the role of TC39, embrace 
> "whatever non-standard crossbrowser thing" or filter ideas proposing 
> better alternatives/solutions when necessary in order to have a solid 
> foundation instead of having `Object.defineProperty({get})` AND 
> `__defineGetter__` from the past?
>
> This is a concern of mine, and I'd like to hear a clear statement 
> about this, thanks.

I'm not Mark and not part of TC39, but I'll give it a try.
I believe TC39 position is in between your 2 propositions. Aiming at 
improving on a solid basis while still codefying de facto standards when 
necessary (that is when it's in some implementations and other 
implementors are pushed by content to implement it).

I don't get why you're being so hard on TC39. The WHATWG has been doing 
*exactly* that for years now; looking at what several browsers implement 
and is used in content and codifying it. Beyond the hype, large parts of 
HTML5 are de facto standards.