On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Brendan Eich <brendan at mozilla.com> wrote:

>  Benjamin (Inglor) Gruenbaum <mailto:inglor at gmail.com>
>> October 14, 2013 1:33 PM
>>
>> __Thanks__ ! This is really above and beyond what I could have asked for.
>>
>
> Beware that what Andreas wrote about __proto__ in ES6 was not accurate.
>
>
>  I really wish there was an easy way to search the list like tags. I've
>> been reading for a while but when I want to bring up, learn more about or
>> discuss things - not being able to search really sucks. It makes me want to
>> avoid things because I know how frustrating repetition can be.
>>
>
> There is also http://esdiscuss.org/ -- give it a try. Follow @esdiscuss
> (Domenic runs it) on twitter too!
>
>
>  My opinion is probably a bit radical (not sure how many people here agree
>> with it), feel free to skip it as it's probably more of a rant :P
>>
>> No, honestly - don't read it. It's repeating things that have probably
>> been said here before but I couldn't find (well, other than Branden
>>
>
> "Brendan"
>
>
>  here https://mail.mozilla.org/**pipermail/es-discuss/2010-**
>> April/010917.html<https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2010-April/010917.html>).
>>
>> >  * it's widely available across all mobile and modern desktop browsers
>>
>> So is `with` but that still doesn't work in strict mode.
>>
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> Yes, but (or perhaps "and in part, therefore") too few user strict mode.
>
> You are talking about apples to oranges. Excluding 'with' from ES5 strict
> leaves 'with' in the default-mode language. ES6 is not a new "mode" (1JS).
> We cannot make __proto__ go away by turning a blind eye toward it.
>
> Our duty as a standards body includes specifying de-facto standards which
> browsers must implement to interop. __proto__ is one such.
>
>
Do you mean more then inclusion in Annex B?
http://people.mozilla.org/~jorendorff/es6-draft.html#sec-other-additional-featuresThe
committee and community made the right move to go with
Object.setPrototypeOf().

Rick
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On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Brendan Eich <brendan at mozilla.com> wrote:

> You are talking about apples to oranges. Excluding `with` from ES5 strict
> leaves `with` in the default-mode language. ES6 is not a new "mode" (1JS).
> We cannot make `__proto__` go away by turning a blind eye toward it.
>
> Our duty as a standards body includes specifying de-facto standards which
> browsers must implement to interop. `__proto__` is one such.

Do you mean more then inclusion in [Annex B](http://people.mozilla.org/~jorendorff/es6-draft.html#sec-other-additional-features)? The committee and community made the right move to go with `Object.setPrototypeOf()`.