On 08 Dec 2013, at 19:57, Allen Wirfs-Brock <allen at wirfs-brock.com> wrote:

> {
> "allenwb":  "there is an objectively observable order to the members of a JSON object",
> "JSON WG participant 1":  "It would be insane to depend upon that ordering",
> "allenwb":  "not if there is agreement between a producer and consumer on the meaning of the ordering",
> "JSON WG participant 2":  "But JSON.parse and similar language bindings don't preserve order",
> "allenwb":  "A streaming JSON parser would naturally preserve member order",
> "JSON WG participant 2": "I din't think there are any such parsers",
> "allenwb": "But someone might decide to create one, and if they do it will expose object members, in order",
> "allenwb": "Plus, in this particular case the schema is so simple the application developer might well design to write a custom, schema specific streaming parser."
> }

Which by at least one JSON decoder*) is decoded as:

---
allenwb: Plus, in this particular case the schema is so simple the application developer
  might well design to write a custom, schema specific streaming parser.
JSON WG participant 1: It would be insane to depend upon that ordering
JSON WG participant 2: I din't think there are any such parsers

(For readability, this one encoded in YAML, another JSON extension.)

Nice demonstration of the point here.

Grüße, Carsten

*) ruby -rjson -ryaml -e 'puts JSON.parse(File.read("allen.json")).to_yaml' >allen.yaml

On 08 Dec 2013, at 19:57, Allen Wirfs-Brock <allen at wirfs-brock.com> wrote:

> ```json
> {
> "allenwb":  "there is an objectively observable order to the members of a JSON object",
> "JSON WG participant 1":  "It would be insane to depend upon that ordering",
> "allenwb":  "not if there is agreement between a producer and consumer on the meaning of the ordering",
> "JSON WG participant 2":  "But JSON.parse and similar language bindings don't preserve order",
> "allenwb":  "A streaming JSON parser would naturally preserve member order",
> "JSON WG participant 2": "I din't think there are any such parsers",
> "allenwb": "But someone might decide to create one, and if they do it will expose object members, in order",
> "allenwb": "Plus, in this particular case the schema is so simple the application developer might well design to write a custom, schema specific streaming parser."
> }
> ```

Which by at least one JSON decoder\*) is decoded as:

```yaml
allenwb: Plus, in this particular case the schema is so simple the application developer
  might well design to write a custom, schema specific streaming parser.
JSON WG participant 1: It would be insane to depend upon that ordering
JSON WG participant 2: I din't think there are any such parsers
```

(For readability, this one encoded in YAML, another JSON extension.)

Nice demonstration of the point here.

\*) `ruby -rjson -ryaml -e 'puts JSON.parse(File.read("allen.json")).to_yaml' >allen.yaml`

On 08 Dec 2013, at 19:57, Allen Wirfs-Brock <allen at wirfs-brock.com> wrote:

> ```json
> {
> "allenwb":  "there is an objectively observable order to the members of a JSON object",
> "JSON WG participant 1":  "It would be insane to depend upon that ordering",
> "allenwb":  "not if there is agreement between a producer and consumer on the meaning of the ordering",
> "JSON WG participant 2":  "But JSON.parse and similar language bindings don't preserve order",
> "allenwb":  "A streaming JSON parser would naturally preserve member order",
> "JSON WG participant 2": "I din't think there are any such parsers",
> "allenwb": "But someone might decide to create one, and if they do it will expose object members, in order",
> "allenwb": "Plus, in this particular case the schema is so simple the application developer might well design to write a custom, schema specific streaming parser."
> }
> ```

Which by at least one JSON decoder\*) is decoded as:

```yaml
allenwb: Plus, in this particular case the schema is so simple the application developer
  might well design to write a custom, schema specific streaming parser.
JSON WG participant 1: It would be insane to depend upon that ordering
JSON WG participant 2: I din't think there are any such parsers
```

(For readability, this one encoded in YAML, another JSON extension.)

Nice demonstration of the point here.

Grüße, Carsten

\*) `ruby -rjson -ryaml -e 'puts JSON.parse(File.read("allen.json")).to_yaml' >allen.yaml`