complexity tax - Addendum

# ToolmakerSteve98 (17 years ago)

I wrote:

From my perspective, this is about: . Flash; Silverlight; Java (client side).

Three major approaches requiring large plug-ins to provide a rich environment. Notably all three approaches have languages substantially beyond Javascript. As a toolmaker, I would love to see convergence between Javascript and Flash and a Silverlight language that was powerful enough to also use server side a la Java.

Does such a language need to be as extensive as ES4? Probably not.

Is this more urgent than the topics Douglas mentions? That seems worthy of more discussion.

I want to add that one factor is what different people/companies are motivated to do. Since there is currently momentum to pin down an advanced language, I figure it is worth not interfering with that momentum. Let the current process go to completion, so that we have something specific to poke at.

Given the [literally] global ramifications of adopting ES4, it might then make sense to pause, rather than seeking a vote on adoption. Spend time with ES4 implementations; grapple with security and other pressing concerns. Make at least one straw proposal for deferring some features.

~TMSteve

I wrote:
> From my perspective, this is about:
> . Flash; Silverlight; Java (client side).
>
> Three major approaches requiring large plug-ins to provide a rich 
> environment. Notably all three approaches have languages substantially 
> beyond Javascript. As a toolmaker, I would love to see convergence between 
> Javascript and Flash and a Silverlight language that was powerful enough 
> to also use server side a la Java.
>
> Does such a language need to be as extensive as ES4? Probably not.
>
> Is this more urgent than the topics Douglas mentions? That seems worthy of 
> more discussion.

I want to add that one factor is what different people/companies are 
motivated to do. Since there is currently momentum to pin down an advanced 
language, I figure it is worth not interfering with that momentum. Let the 
current process go to completion, so that we have something specific to poke 
at.

Given the [literally] global ramifications of adopting ES4, it might then 
make sense to pause, rather than seeking a vote on adoption. Spend time with 
ES4 implementations; grapple with security and other pressing concerns. Make 
at least one straw proposal for deferring some features.

~TMSteve

# Ric Johnson (17 years ago)

On 3/26/2008, "ToolmakerSteve98" <toolmakersteve98 at shawstudio.com>

wrote:

I wrote:

Javascript and Flash and a Silverlight language that was powerful enough to also use server side a la Java.

Does such a language need to be as extensive as ES4? Probably not.

um... You mention the solution in your question: Silverlight.

IMHO, it is Microsoft attempt to allow C# in the browser, work like flash, and you can write server side code.

Silverlight may not be as broad based as Javascript right now, but it does have Microsoft behind it.

Ric

On 3/26/2008, "ToolmakerSteve98" <toolmakersteve98 at shawstudio.com>
wrote:

>I wrote:
>> Javascript and Flash and a Silverlight language that was powerful enough
>> to also use server side a la Java.
>>
>> Does such a language need to be as extensive as ES4? Probably not.

um... You mention the solution in your question: Silverlight.

IMHO, it is Microsoft attempt to allow C# in the browser, work like
flash, and you can write server side code.

Silverlight may not be as broad based as Javascript right now, but it
does have Microsoft behind it.

Ric