ModuleDeclarationInstantiation behaviour after failure

# Jon Coppeard (8 years ago)

Fuzz testing has recently turned up some interesting behaviour involving ModuleDeclarationInstantiation.

What currently happens is that ModuleDeclarationInstantiation always initialises the source text module record's Environment slot, even if it subsequently fails with an error (e.g. failure to resolve import). This leaves the environment partially initialised.

Then if it is called a second time for that module (maybe in the course of recursively performing ModuleDeclarationInstantiation starting from a different module) it will succeed without doing anything. This can lead to failure further on when code is executed without the expected bindings being present.

Is this expected?

It seems to me that a subsequent call should either attempt to create the environment again (maybe all dependencies are now available?) or fail immediately in the same way.

The former could be accomplished by only setting the Environment slot at the end after the environment has been successfully initialised.

Jon

# Caridy Patiño (8 years ago)

Moving step 7 to the end is not an option since the primary use of that step is to support circular references.

As for recovering from errors, this is in the realm of the loader and the registry to prevent subsequence attempts to instantiate a source text module record that failed already. There is not such things are a recovery from a failure in a module, just like there is none on a script. A testament of this is that a module record never holds a reference to another module record, it always resolve it when needed.

# Jason Orendorff (8 years ago)

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Caridy Patiño <caridy at gmail.com> wrote:

Moving step 7 to the end is not an option since the primary use of that step is to support circular references.

Not sure this is helpful, but back when I was working with Dave on this stuff, it was supposed to work something like this:

  • The loader determines when a set of new modules is ready to link. This only happens after resolving all requested modules for the whole set.

  • Check that all requested modules actually have the export bindings we require of them. If not, it's an error.

  • Linking. We create module Environments and all their bindings, including import bindings. Observably, this is an atomic step and it can't fail. We already checked for all possible link errors.

  • Next, we evaluate module bodies, etc.

So in our design, if code ran in a module environment, that environment was fully linked. It looks like ModuleDeclarationInstantiation does not have this guarantee. If true, that's a serious bug.

As for recovering from errors, this is in the realm of the loader and the

registry to prevent subsequence attempts to instantiate a source text module record that failed already. [...]

It's fine to have an error sometimes shoot down a whole graph of modules. The problem here is that the failed Environments can be exposed later. The spec says you're even supposed to run code in them, right? But forging ahead with partially-initialized data structures seems as obviously undesirable in a spec as in running code -- that's begging for bugs -- and it's an unreasonable implementation burden too.

# Allen Wirfs-Brock (8 years ago)

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# Jon Coppeard (8 years ago)

On 07/07/2016 22:33, Allen Wirfs-Brock wrote:

The spec. Only generates errors and does try to define error recovery. That's up to the implementation.

OK, that makes sense. This situation would clearly be a bug in the module loader. Maybe it would be worth making ES robust against such bugs though.

But I would expect implementations to discard any module records it created during a linking phase that throws errors.

This wasn't obvious to me from reading the spec, although there is an assertion in ModuleEvaluation that ModuleDeclarationInstantation has completed successfully first that would be invalidated in this case.

Thanks,

Jon

# Jon Coppeard (8 years ago)

On 07/07/2016 18:09, Caridy Patiño wrote:

Moving step 7 to the end is not an option since the primary use of that step is to support circular references.

Ah, of course. Thanks,

Jon

# Jason Orendorff (8 years ago)

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Allen Wirfs-Brock <allen at wirfs-brock.com>

wrote:

The spec. Only generates errors and does try to define error recovery. That's up to the implementation. But I would expect implementations to discard any module records it created during a linking phase that throws errors.

That makes sense. Thanks.

This explains why I didn't understand it. Originally we specified a loader too, and the loader's behavior on error was a little different from this. Not necessarily better, though.

# Jon Coppeard (8 years ago)

On 07/07/2016 22:33, Allen Wirfs-Brock wrote:

I would expect implementations to discard any module records it created during a linking phase that throws errors.

I think it's not trivial to know which module records to discard.

Thinking out loud:

A module loader may be simultaneously loading multiple top-level modules which have overlapping dependency graphs. So an imported module may be created to satisfy the dependencies of more than one top-level module that is currently being loaded.

We can't throw away all dependencies on failure because that could discard successfully loaded modules that are in use by a previously loaded module. A subsequent load of another module could then re-load a different version of these modules.

Really we only need to throw away the module which failed to link and every ancestor module up to the root of the tree, i.e. those for which instantiation has started but did not complete. But a module loader doesn't have a way to work this out.

One solution might be to have the loader maintain an 'instantiated' flag for each module which is initially false and to set this for all uninstantiated descendants on successful instantiation. Then we could throw away uninstantiated descendants on failure. (This would discard more than necessary, but that doesn't matter).

Does that make sense? I think this would work but it feels like it's making the loader do extra work to compute state that could more simply be stored in the module record itself.

Jon

# Allen Wirfs-Brock (8 years ago)

On Jul 14, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Jon Coppeard <jcoppeard at mozilla.com <mailto:jcoppeard at mozilla.com>> wrote:

On 07/07/2016 22:33, Allen Wirfs-Brock wrote:

I would expect implementations to discard any module records it created during a linking phase that throws errors.

I think it's not trivial to know which module records to discard.

Thinking out loud:

A module loader may be simultaneously loading multiple top-level modules which have overlapping dependency graphs. So an imported module may be created to satisfy the dependencies of more than one top-level module that is currently being loaded.

In the spec, module instantiation is always initiated by a TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob. Such jobs are serially executed to completion. The spec. explicitly says that an implementation may pre-instantiate and link modules ( it could even happen during a build process) as long as error reporting is deferred to the actual TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob (of course a build time linker would also report build time errors).

So, form the spec perspective there is no semantics of “simultaneously loading” multiple top-level modules. To conform to those semantics, an implementation that wants to simultaneously eagerly instantiate and link modules has to do it in a manner that preserves the serial instantiation semantics.

We can't throw away all dependencies on failure because that could discard successfully loaded modules that are in use by a previously loaded module. A subsequent load of another module could then re-load a different version of these modules.

Really we only need to throw away the module which failed to link and every ancestor module up to the root of the tree, i.e. those for which instantiation has started but did not complete. But a module loader doesn't have a way to work this out.

One solution might be to have the loader maintain an 'instantiated' flag for each module which is initially false and to set this for all uninstantiated descendants on successful instantiation. Then we could throw away uninstantiated descendants on failure. (This would discard more than necessary, but that doesn't matter).

Does that make sense? I think this would work but it feels like it's making the loader do extra work to compute state that could more simply be stored in the module record itself.

I’m just thinking out load too, But here is how I would approach it.

Module Records are created by ParseModule (often indirectly via HostResolveImportedModule) and subsequently retrieved by HostResolveImportModule.

I would treat steps 3-5 of [TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob](tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-toplevelmoduleevaluationjob, tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-toplevelmoduleevaluationjob) as an atomic transaction that either succeeds or fails. During such a transaction, any new module record that is created is considered a “pending module record”. When a transition successfully completes, all of its pending module records permanently become “committed module records” but if a transaction fails its pending module records are discarded. During a transaction, HostResoveImportedModule uses both the committed and pending module record sets to resolve import requests.

Regarding storing state (for example, committed or pending) in module records: Module records (like most data structures in the spec) are just abstrations used by the specification to describe the semantics and observable state changes. An implementation is free to represent those abstractions any way it wants and certainly can incorporate additional unobservable implementation state.

# Jon Coppeard (8 years ago)

Thank you for the detailed response.

To start with I should say that although I'm working on an implementation of the basic module loader defined by the HTML spec for <script type="module">, a goal is also to validate that spec. As it

stands it suffers from the issue we are discussing and attempts to simultaneously load multiple top-level modules but does not correctly handle errors in instantiation.

In the browser, this simultaneous loading is important for performance reasons. Using modules already has the potential to create many more server round trips as dependencies are fetched, so browsers will want to parallelise these fetches as much as possible. This means parsing modules as soon as they have been fetched to extract their dependencies and starting to fetch their dependencies straight away, all across multiple module trees.

I think it's important to outline how this is going to work in the HTML spec itself, especially since the algorithm chosen can have subtle effects on the behaviour.

The approach you suggested above would work but I think it would have the disadvantage that while while the transaction for one module tree was in progress it would delay modules from a second module tree being parsed (and their dependencies fetched). Did I understand that correctly?

Another similar approach that also uses the committed state might be to parse all modules as they become available and discard any uncommitted dependencies on instantiation error. Dependencies of a top-level module are marked as committed on successful load. I think this would be equivalent to some serial execution of TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob for each top-level module.

However that still has the disadvantage that too many modules are thrown away on error. This means that some modules might have to be re-fetched later if they were used by a sequent load, even if they were present when that load started. My concern is mainly that handling this corner case would complicate the HTML spec.

I guess what I'd really like is some support for this simultaneous loading in ES. Removing the restriction on discarding modules after failure and making ModuleDeclarationInstantiation fail if called again after failure would be one way. Another would be to report to the caller which modules failed to instantiate. Either way the problem is that it's hard to handle errors from ModuleDeclarationInstantiation if you don't know which modules failed.

Jon

# Jason Orendorff (8 years ago)

How about this: Linking happens as eagerly as possible whenever a module arrives off the network. This means that very often we'll be linking one module at a time. In any case, every link set will be a strongly connected component of ready-to-link modules in the dependency graph; and therefore if linking fails, we should discard all the modules that we were trying to link.

When a link error or any other error happens, we immediately discard the failed module and everything that depends on it (potentially many modules in various states, etc.). Implementing this efficiently means tracking, for each module, "all the stuff that's depending/waiting on me". But the loader has to do this anyway, right?

More complete description of this proposal, in case that's not clear: gist.github.com/jorendorff/fc5bad969137402caa10bb3570b3f202

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Jon Coppeard <jcoppeard at mozilla.com> wrote:

Another similar approach that also uses the committed state might be to parse all modules as they become available and discard any uncommitted dependencies on instantiation error.

What I'm proposing doesn't discard in-flight dependencies, but allows them to finish loading.

However that still has the disadvantage that too many modules are thrown

away on error.

Agreed.

I guess what I'd really like is some support for this simultaneous loading in ES.

At the least, I think it makes sense to mark Module Records for modules that failed to parse or link as permanently bad, and assert as we go that we are only ever working on good Module Records. It would be a nice clarification. (I suspect TC39 would accept patches for this, even though the status quo seems correct in every way -- it's just a matter of someone doing the work.)

# Allen Wirfs-Brock (8 years ago)

On Jul 15, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Jon Coppeard <jcoppeard at mozilla.com> wrote:

Thank you for the detailed response.

To start with I should say that although I'm working on an implementation of the basic module loader defined by the HTML spec for <script type="module">, a goal is also to validate that spec. As it stands it suffers from the issue we are discussing and attempts to simultaneously load multiple top-level modules but does not correctly handle errors in instantiation.

Can you point me at the parts of the HTML spec. that involved here? ModuleDeclarationInstantiation is a semantics of the ES spec. and it isn’t clear to me why the HTML spec. would need to invoke it. From you description, I suspect there may be some impedance mismatches between the specs.

In the browser, this simultaneous loading is important for performance reasons. Using modules already has the potential to create many more server round trips as dependencies are fetched, so browsers will want to parallelise these fetches as much as possible. This means parsing modules as soon as they have been fetched to extract their dependencies and starting to fetch their dependencies straight away, all across multiple module trees.

Shouldn't be a problem. Just like some browsers now eagerly (or lazily) parse scripts on a separate thread they should be able to parse individual module files as they fetch them and cache parse results (eg, ASTs). Even share cached parse results across multiple windows. Fetching and mechanism of how a parsed module or script is internally represented is outside of the scope of the ES spec. Eager parsing is explicitly allowed for in the spec. For example, see the NOTE in tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-toplevelmoduleevaluationjob, tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-toplevelmoduleevaluationjob. Basically an implementation can cache or do anything it wants as long as the fact it is doing so is not observable to ES code. The non-observability requirement is the reason it says that error reporting most be deferred until the explicit parse step in the spec. is reached.

I think it's important to outline how this is going to work in the HTML spec itself, especially since the algorithm chosen can have subtle effects on the behaviour.

The approach you suggested above would work but I think it would have the disadvantage that while while the transaction for one module tree was in progress it would delay modules from a second module tree being parsed (and their dependencies fetched). Did I understand that correctly?

That’s certainly not the intent. Note that tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-hostresolveimportedmodule, tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-hostresolveimportedmodule is required to be idempotent if it completes normally. An implication of this is that any complete and valid closed subgraph of a module tree should be reusable and sharable among other module trees, even if the first module tree to process it fails because other subtree are incomplete. Processing multiple module trees in parallel certainly complicates caching and error recovery. But should be possible. The ES spec. really doesn’t care, as long as the implementation specific quirks aren’t observable to ES code.

(BTW, a loader API that includes the ability of ES code to programmatically introduce additional modules will also complicate eager or parallel processing. If that is possible, then failure of eager processing of some module trees might be a temporary condition, and failure means that the processing of the module tree needs to be deferred until the API causes something to change. In other words, statically fetched modules that have dependencies upon dynamically created modules are tricky )

Another similar approach that also uses the committed state might be to parse all modules as they become available and discard any uncommitted dependencies on instantiation error. Dependencies of a top-level module are marked as committed on successful load. I think this would be equivalent to some serial execution of TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob for each top-level module.

All you really need to throw away are newly created Module Environment Records as they are the entities that are observable to the ES evaluation semantics. But remember to distingish the implementation’s internal data structures from the specification’s abstract data structures such as Module Records, and Module Environment Records. The implementation is free to use any valid memorization it can come up with.

Note that the possibility of eager linking/instantiation is why module evaluation is a separate step and not included in module instantiation. The job queue for TopLevelEvaluationJobs is there to enable the host environment to specify the serial execution order of top level module (and script) evaluations.

However that still has the disadvantage that too many modules are thrown away on error. This means that some modules might have to be re-fetched later if they were used by a sequent load, even if they were present when that load started. My concern is mainly that handling this corner case would complicate the HTML spec.

Don’t see why refetching would be required (assuming the remote resource doesn’t change). Might have to relink subtrees that had earlier had linkage failures.

I guess what I'd really like is some support for this simultaneous loading in ES. Removing the restriction on discarding modules after failure and making ModuleDeclarationInstantiation fail if called again after failure would be one way. Another would be to report to the caller which modules failed to instantiate. Either way the problem is that it's hard to handle errors from ModuleDeclarationInstantiation if you don't know which modules failed.

My sense is that you are seeing requirements/restrictions in the ES spec. that aren't there (or aren’t intended if they are).

We should probably focus on individual issues, one at a time.

# Jon Coppeard (8 years ago)

OK, this is great and I think it solves the problems of what to throw away and not throwing away too much.

Implementing this efficiently means tracking, for each module, "all the stuff that's depending/waiting on me". But the loader has to do this anyway, right?

Yes, this already has to happen to know when we can evaluate the top-level module.

Thanks,

Jon

# Jon Coppeard (8 years ago)

On 15/07/2016 18:36, Allen Wirfs-Brock wrote:

Can you point me at the parts of the HTML spec. that involved here?

The script tag is defined here:

html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/scripting.html#the-script-element

The mechanism for loading modules starts here:

html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/webappapis.html#fetch-a-module-script-tree

And HostResolveImportedModule is defined here:

html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/webappapis.html#integration-with-the-javascript-module-system

ModuleDeclarationInstantiation is a semantics of the ES spec. and it isn’t clear to me why the HTML spec. would need to invoke it.

The HTML spec needs some way of linking and executing modules. It's not clear (to me) which parts of ES can be "called into" and referred to externally from another spec.

I guess at this point HTML is providing the source texts required by RunJobs step 2:

"In an implementation dependent manner, obtain the ECMAScript source texts ... for zero or more ECMAScript scripts and/or ECMAScript modules"

I'm still not sure how I would refer to that exactly from an external spec.

Further to this, if we do pre-instantiation of modules then we need some way of making this happen before TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob runs. I don't think saying something like "use an implementation specific way to pre-instantiate a module" would be that useful, whereas saying "call ModuleDeclarationInstantiation for the module record" makes it clear what is supposed to happen.

(BTW, a loader API that includes the ability of ES code to programmatically introduce additional modules will also complicate eager or parallel processing. If that is possible, then failure of eager processing of some module trees might be a temporary condition, and failure means that the processing of the module tree needs to be deferred until the API causes something to change. In other words, statically fetched modules that have dependencies upon dynamically created modules are tricky )

I totally agree and thankfully we are not doing that yet!

My sense is that you are seeing requirements/restrictions in the ES spec. that aren't there (or aren’t intended if they are).

I think you're right. I'm not sure exactly what I had in mind but it seems the answer is "do anything you like as long as it is not observable to script", which is a lower bar than I realised.

Thanks,

Jon

# Allen Wirfs-Brock (8 years ago)

On Jul 18, 2016, at 7:04 AM, Jon Coppeard <jcoppeard at mozilla.com> wrote:

On 15/07/2016 18:36, Allen Wirfs-Brock wrote:

ModuleDeclarationInstantiation is a semantics of the ES spec. and it isn’t clear to me why the HTML spec. would need to invoke it.

The HTML spec needs some way of linking and executing modules. It's not clear (to me) which parts of ES can be "called into" and referred to externally from another spec.

The intent is that after the “host” has fetched a module (and its dependencies) it enqueue a TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob. But, as stated there, much of the work of that TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob can be performed eagerly.

I guess at this point HTML is providing the source texts required by RunJobs step 2:

"In an implementation dependent manner, obtain the ECMAScript source texts ... for zero or more ECMAScript scripts and/or ECMAScript modules”

That’s the “fetch” process, it’s completely host/implementation defined

RunJobs is dealing with an initial set of prefetched sequentially evaluated scripts and modules. This would probably include the inline sequentially evaluated scripts/modules within an HTML file. It wouldn’t include any deferred scripts/modules. A host handles deferred or dynamically identified scripts/modules (eg, via dynamically inserting a script tag into the DOM) by enqueuing additional Script/TopLevelModuleEvaluationJobs after RubJobs has already occurred.

I'm still not sure how I would refer to that exactly from an external spec.

The external spec.describes the process of fetching the source text and then either says that it performs RunJobs (if hit is initiating a new ES engine instantiation) or performs EnqueueJob to create a ScriptEvaluationJob or a TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob.

Further to this, if we do pre-instantiation of modules then we need some way of making this happen before TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob runs. I don't think saying something like "use an implementation specific way to pre-instantiate a module" would be that useful, whereas saying "call ModuleDeclarationInstantiation for the module record" makes it clear what is supposed to happen.

In a loader spec. that is expect to have multiple implementations (eg, the HTML module loader) you want to be careful to not over-specify things that should be implementation details. For example, whether or not modules are (fully) eagerly or asynchronously parsed should be something an implementation should be able to decide.

The only real requirement on a TopLevelEvaluationJob is the one implied by step 8.a of tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-moduledeclarationinstantiation, tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-moduledeclarationinstantiation “Before instantiating a module, all of the modules it requested must be available.” By “module” here, it is really talking about the source code of a module. So, before enqueuing such a job the host needs to ensure that all the transitively referenced source modules are available. An implementation could perform a full parse of the module (as specified by tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-parsemodule, tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-parsemodule) but an implementation might also work out a simpler way to identify a module’s dependencies that doesn’t require a full parse/static semantics analysis. So, you want to be careful not to transitively “call” ParseModule in your spec. to satisfy that requirement. Instead, you might use language like: “Determine, as if by recursively invoking PaarseModule, that all module source texts imported by the top level module are available.”

The primary interface from the ES spec. back into a loader is tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-hostresolveimportedmodule, tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-hostresolveimportedmodule . ES expect to get a Module Record for a fully parsed/analyzed source module back from that. Something that isn’t said there (but probably should be) is that if the referenced module is is a source text module (there can be other, host/implementation defined kinds of modules that are defined using the ES Module grammar) then ParseModule must be “called” to produce the corresponding Source Text Module Record.

I would expect any host spec. for MostResolveImportedModule to roughly follow this pattern: Use referencingModule and specifier to obtain a host internal module id, mid. If the host known module registry has an entry for mid, then return the Module Record associated with mid in the registry. If mid identifies a source text module, then Assert: The source text of the module has already been fetched Let src be the source text identified by mid. Let modRec be ?ParseModule(src, currentRealm, hostProvided). Create an entry in the host known module registry for mid that associates mid with modRec. Return modred handle other implementation specified kinds of modules Finally, I want to emphasize one more time that Module Records, as defined in the ES spec, are just an abstraction of the spec. They may or may not correspond to actual descrete records in an implementation. The data structures that a loader uses to track modules are not necessarily concrete Module Records and may have additional semantics that are specific to the loader/host environment. The only requirements on the association between the loader’s concept of a “module” and ES’s Module Record abstraction are those given in tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-hostresolveimportedmodule, tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-hostresolveimportedmodule

... I think you're right. I'm not sure exactly what I had in mind but it seems the answer is "do anything you like as long as it is not observable to script", which is a lower bar than I realized.

YES!

# Jon Coppeard (8 years ago)

On 18/07/2016 19:04, Allen Wirfs-Brock wrote:

The intent is that after the “host” has fetched a module (and its dependencies) it enqueue a TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob.

OK, so calling EnqueueJob with a TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob is how this is supposed to happen.

That doesn't give an indication of whether the job succeeded though (except for the fact that it would call HostReportErrors some time later). Is it possible to to find out whether this was successful without relying on implementation-specific behaviour?

In a loader spec. that is expect to have multiple implementations (eg, the HTML module loader) you want to be careful to not over-specify things that should be implementation details.

I agree. My concern is that since this is a complex and subtle area under-specifying this could lead to differences in behaviour between implementations.

The primary interface from the ES spec. back into a loader is tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-hostresolveimportedmodule . ES expect to get a Module Record for a fully parsed/analyzed source module back from that. Something that isn’t said there (but probably should be) is that if the referenced module is is a source text module (there can be other, host/implementation defined kinds of modules that are defined using the ES Module grammar) then ParseModule must be “called” to produce the corresponding Source Text Module Record.

I would expect any host spec. for MostResolveImportedModule to roughly follow this pattern:

  1. Use /referencingModule/ and /specifier/ to obtain a host internal module id, /mid/.
  2. If the host known module registry has an entry for /mid/, then return the Module Record associated with /mid/ in the registry.
  3. If /mid/ identifies a source text module, then
  4. Assert: The source text of the module has already been fetched
  5. Let /src/ be the source text identified by /mid/.
  6. Let /modRec/ be ?ParseModule(/src/, /currentRealm/, /hostProvided/).
  7. Create an entry in the host known module registry for /mid/ that associates /mid/ with /modRec/.
  8. Return /modred/
  9. handle other implementation specified kinds of modules

Thanks, it's useful to see that written down.

Jon

# Domenic Denicola (8 years ago)

From: es-discuss [mailto:es-discuss-bounces at mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Jon Coppeard

OK, so calling EnqueueJob with a TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob is how this is supposed to happen.

That doesn't give an indication of whether the job succeeded though (except for the fact that it would call HostReportErrors some time later). Is it possible to to find out whether this was successful without relying on implementation-specific behaviour?

It's already been discussed elsewhere how the ES job formalism is not sufficient for HTML. There are plans to refactor it which have previously reached agreement but nobody has taken the time to implement them. (Part of the refactoring was already done, by moving a lot of the job machinery into ES's RunJobs, which HTML explicitly states user agents must never use.)

In the meantime, what we can do (and are doing, in the current spec) is just copying the steps of TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob into HTML's script execution machinery. That allows us to detect failures.

# Allen Wirfs-Brock (8 years ago)

On Jul 20, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Jon Coppeard <jcoppeard at mozilla.com> wrote:

On 18/07/2016 19:04, Allen Wirfs-Brock wrote:

The intent is that after the “host” has fetched a module (and its dependencies) it enqueue a TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob.

OK, so calling EnqueueJob with a TopLevelModuleEvaluationJob is how this is supposed to happen.

That doesn't give an indication of whether the job succeeded though (except for the fact that it would call HostReportErrors some time later). Is it possible to to find out whether this was successful without relying on implementation-specific behavior?

“Is it possible to to find out whether this was successful” For whom to find out? If you are talking about the implementation (or host specs) HostReportError is the mechanism the ES spec. uses to indicate that a point has been reached where extra lingual errors (i.e., errors that are not directly visible to ES code as exceptions) may be make manifest by the implementation.

(Note that while tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-toplevelmoduleevaluationjob, tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-toplevelmoduleevaluationjob allows for eager parsing, linking, and even ModuleDeclarationInstantiations but also says that in the eager case “reporting” of the error must be deferred unto the appropriate step of TopLevelModuleEvaluation.)

This primarily is about TopLevelModuleEvaluationJobs that are initiated by the “host”. In an implementation exposes a module loader with an API that allows an ES program to dynamically load modules (essentially dynamically create TopLevelModuleEvaluationJobs) then then HostReportError action for such a job would presumably trigger whatever sort of error reporting mechanism exposed via the API (probably reject a promise).

# Jon Coppeard (8 years ago)

Ah thanks, that explains what's going on there then.