Propose (originally "request") license change
On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:12 AM, Kalinni Gorzkis wrote:
Right now, please ask Ecma International to give me a Creative Commons free-culture license (without NonCommercial nor NoDerivatives) so that I can distribute the document to others with the same license.
You need to contact ( www.ecma-international.org/contact/Contact.html ) the Ecma Secretary General general and request permission to use Ecma copyrighted material in you document. They are reasonable people and I haven't heard of any situations where they have responded negatively to reasonable requests.
However, you will have to do a better job of explaining what your document is and why it needs to incorporate Ecma materials. So far, on this thread you haven't described what you are doing sufficiently to know whether or not you have a reasonable request.
It's starting off on the wrong foot to assume that Ecma is a money grubby organization that is using copyright to enrich themselves (do you know that if you ask, Ecma will send you, for no charge, a printed and bound copy of any Ecma standard). Ecma's primary concerns is the integrity of its standard. It doesn't want individuals making changes and then distributing those documents , as if, they were the actual approved standards.
Be nice, and they'll work with you.
Allen Wirfs-Brock wrote:
It's starting off on the wrong foot to assume that Ecma is a money grubby organization that is using copyright to enrich themselves (do you know that if you ask, Ecma will send you, for no charge, a printed and bound copy of any Ecma standard). Ecma's primary concerns is the integrity of its standard. It doesn't want individuals making changes and then distributing those documents , as if, they were the actual approved standards.
But of course (and I hesitate to say this, lest es-discuss become es-wannabe-lawyers-discuss) that's a matter that could be addressed both by copyright and by trademark law. It's not a sufficient reason for a copyright license, at least not given precedent of open source and CC0 or equivalent specification source.
On Sep 1, 2013, at 7:57, Brendan Eich <brendan at mozilla.com> wrote:
Allen Wirfs-Brock wrote:
It's starting off on the wrong foot to assume that Ecma is a money grubby organization that is using copyright to enrich themselves (do you know that if you ask, Ecma will send you, for no charge, a printed and bound copy of any Ecma standard). Ecma's primary concerns is the integrity of its standard. It doesn't want individuals making changes and then distributing those documents , as if, they were the actual approved standards.
But of course (and I hesitate to say this, lest es-discuss become es-wannabe-lawyers-discuss) that's a matter that could be addressed both by copyright and by trademark law. It's not a sufficient reason for a copyright license, at least not given precedent of open source and CC0 or equivalent specification source.
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Musical Notation wrote:
I'm not going to do this, too many other plates spinning. You could file a bug at bugs.ecmascript.org, instead.
What about moving the standards development to WHATWG?
Musical Notation <mailto:musicdenotation at gmail.com> September 2, 2013 7:43 AM What about moving the standards development to WHATWG?
What about it?
You'll need to be more persuasive. A one-line question that assumes many conclusions not shared by others reading this list won't cut it.
Le 02/09/2013 18:47, Brendan Eich a écrit :
What about it?
You'll need to be more persuasive.
And I guess we're back to my original question: what derivative work do you (Musical Notation) want to do? Currently, we have an HTML5 version of ES5. A tool to convert the docx ES6 drafts to HTML, a compile-to-JS language that's very close to JS and refers to the ECMA-262 spec. What else do you want to do and that the current license doesn't permit?
I'm usually a very strong defendant of free licenses and free software, but I'm puzzled by the current request. The current license has never felt like a limitation. Can it ever be a limitation?
Right now, please ask Ecma International to give me a Creative Commons free-culture license (without NonCommercial nor NoDerivatives) so that I can distribute the document to others with the same license.