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We in Ecma TC39 have been using wiki.ecmascript.org for committee
work, but with almost everything visible to the public. What were you
hoping to do with it?
Brendan Eich wrote:
We in Ecma TC39 have been using wiki.ecmascript.org for committee work, but with almost everything visible to the public. What were you hoping to do with it?
Contribute to the discussions there. It's much more efficient to do that by editing the wiki than by commenting here -- that's what wikis are for. In particular, I wanted to comment on security implications (both positive and negative) of some of the proposed extensions.
On Aug 16, 2008, at 11:23 PM, David-Sarah Hopwood wrote:
Brendan Eich wrote:
We in Ecma TC39 have been using wiki.ecmascript.org for committee
work, but with almost everything visible to the public. What were you
hoping to do with it?Contribute to the discussions there. It's much more efficient to do
that by editing the wiki than by commenting here -- that's what wikis
are for. In particular, I wanted to comment on security implications (both positive and negative) of some of the proposed extensions.
The standards process is pay-to-play within Ecma, except for
Universities. See my reply to Peter Michaux sent just now. We would
have to consult with the TC39 chair about including non-members as
invited experts, and in general such experts have been invited only
to one or two meetings. The public wiki is new for Ecma; we're still
working out how it should work.
In the mean time, please post thoughts here.
Brendan Eich wrote:
On Aug 16, 2008, at 11:23 PM, David-Sarah Hopwood wrote:
Brendan Eich wrote:
We in Ecma TC39 have been using wiki.ecmascript.org for committee work, but with almost everything visible to the public. What were you hoping to do with it?
Contribute to the discussions there. It's much more efficient to do that by editing the wiki than by commenting here -- that's what wikis are for. In particular, I wanted to comment on security implications (both positive and negative) of some of the proposed extensions.
The standards process is pay-to-play within Ecma, except for Universities. See my reply to Peter Michaux sent just now. We would have to consult with the TC39 chair about including non-members as invited experts, and in general such experts have been invited only to one or two meetings. The public wiki is new for Ecma; we're still working out how it should work.
OK, but to me this makes the wiki a significantly less reliable source of information, since I cannot have any confidence that if someone (not a member of TC39) had seen an error then they would have been able to correct it. Note that this is not just a theoretical concern; I have seen a large amount of obsolete or incorrect content on the wiki (in both the ES3.1 and ES4 sections) that I suspect would probably have been fixed long ago if they were more openly editable.
Some wikis distinguish between editing and append-only commenting, where the latter can be configured to be allowed for a wider group of users. For Docuwiki there is a plugin to implement this: www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:userannotations
It also allows users to edit their own comments.
I think there are clear advantages to this over having to search mailing list archives to see what comments have been made on a given page. However, it still preserves a clear distinction between "official" page content written by TC39 members, and comments by other users.
In the mean time, please post thoughts here.
I will.
On Aug 17, 2008, at 12:41 PM, David-Sarah Hopwood wrote:
OK, but to me this makes the wiki a significantly less reliable source of information, since I cannot have any confidence that if someone
(not a member of TC39) had seen an error then they would have been able to correct it. Note that this is not just a theoretical concern; I have seen a large amount of obsolete or incorrect content on the wiki (in both the ES3.1 and ES4 sections) that I suspect would probably have been fixed long ago if they were more openly editable.
Probably; also other edits would be made, but I agree that wikis
don't work well if too few hands are available to keep turning over
the compost ;-).
Some wikis distinguish between editing and append-only commenting,
where the latter can be configured to be allowed for a wider group of users. For Docuwiki there is a plugin to implement this: www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:userannotations It also allows users to edit their own comments.
Thanks, I will look into this and make a proposal to give greater
access to TC39.
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